Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Religion: Islam - The religion of submission

Just a commentary on how twisted religion really is. Now, I'm no friend of the Pope, but come on. The Pope reads a quote that questions Mohammed. Protests erupt around the world in the Muslim community. Now, that, in itself is not really that troublesome. I'm all for protest - peaceful protest. But that's where things get carried away. The Pope says he didn't mean to offend and apologizes. In response a nun is shot to death in Somalia, churches around the world are firebombed, and Al Qaeda threatens the Pope and all of us in the west saying we are "Doomed". That we should convert to Islam or die by the sword as the Koran command.

There are no people one more intolerant on earth than religious zealots. And Islamic zealots are by far the worst. In the minds of Islamic fundamentalists, Islam ≠ Peace, Islam = Submission.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

WWIII between Islams and everyone else?

Greg said...

I fear that is what Islam wants. It is being taught all over the world that there will only be peace when everyone has converted to Islam or been killed.

GraemeAnfinson said...

I have to say that I agree that relgion is nonsense, but we are going to have to live with these people. The muslims you are talking about are a small percentage of muslims. I know, we keep getting told that Al qaeda is this massive network of deadly killers, but in reality it is much more inspirational than operational. That is not to say they don't need to be dealt with, but we certainly don't need to be throwing away our civil liberties.

After 9/11 countries throughout the Arab world were marching in support of the US. Iran also had marches. We had a tiny minority of radicalized muslims, who had beef with the west for a variety of reasons (some of which are valid) not just religious ones. Instead of dealing with them with law enforcement (and diplomacy) we decided to invade two muslim countries, killing over one hundred thousand civilians, and all they had to do was sit back and say "I told you so" and what the recruits come pouring in.

GraemeAnfinson said...

watch the recruits i mean

Anonymous said...

Even if a Muslim is not directly involved in violent jihad, almost all of them are responsible for global Islamic terrorism, because "peaceful" jihadists, that is, Muslims by and large, are religiously obligated to donate to violent jihad. Hence, the FBI has closed down a number of Islamic "charities" and notice the silence of Muslims on Islamic terrorism. The "tiny minority theory" is just plain oft repeated nonsense. Fortunately, I see more and more people beginning to realize that the problem is with Islam itself. Its founder and its teachings are extremely intolerant and vicious. People should do the research before parroting propaganda that has no historical or ideological basis in reality.

Charles

Greg said...

Well, I certainly was careful in my choice of words - Islamic Extremists and Islamic Fundamentalists. I would not presume to suggest that all people who call themselves muslim are extremists or fundamentalists. I would never generalize in that way. I would say, however, that my observation over the last decade would tell me that extremists and fundamentalists in the Islamic world are hardly a tiny minority. I do believe there are many people who are ignorant of the dangers of extremist leaders in their religion, and, in that sense agree with Charles that they are, at least in part, responsible for not speaking out against violence and hatred teachings. If, indeed, people pay tithes (or whatever they call it) that go to support violent acts, these people need to be educated or held acountable for their support. Personally, I do not believe that most people who call themselves muslim are evil nor violent. Many of these 'moderate muslims' would be killed for their liberal thinking if they were to set foot in places under sharia law rule. All I'm saying is, on average, the response from extremist islamic people to events or criticisms is more often violent than it is from extremists in other religious groups. And, there seem to be a higher percentage of extremists in the Islamic world than in other religous groups. I don't think there are any easy answers. As Graeme has suggested, Islam is here and we share the globe with it. If we can truly bring about a renaissance in Islamic teaching toward a more peaceful society, that would be great. But, I suspect, the intolerance is so high that it would be very unlikely.

Greg said...

I should also add, I agree with Graeme that we should not throw civil liberties out the window nor rush to violence to counter islamic extremists without thought or planning. I do believe we have made a horrid mess out of Iraq. Our true enemies are cunning and we must be smart about how to counter them. Rushing into wars with a cowboy attitude without planning beyond today is foolish and will lead to our demise.

GraemeAnfinson said...

I am just saying, don't forget the politics. Robert Pape did a study on suicide bombing and found that the main causes were occupation and western foreign policy. (the book is called "Dying to win: the strategist logic of suicide terrorism.")

It is interesting to say the least.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that there were "good" Nazis too, but, when you come right down to it, they still followed a vile ideology. Islam is only different in that it is a greater threat to humanity.

I also doubt that we can overcome Islamization of the globe without sacrificing some of what we value, at least in the foreseeable interim, and I think our survival overrides those concerns.

Those who cheer on and protect Islam will lose the freedoms they have to do so, if their agenda is successful. As I wrote, I am happy to see that more and more people are seeing Islam for what it is: a vile ideology. Pape is a fifth columnist who writes things that have very little correspondence with the reality of Islam's history and ideology.

Charles